A Vegan Diet is Not Healthy

April 12, 2012

I’m mentally preparing myself for this one. Because it’s inevitable I’ll receive at least a few heated comments on this post. But that’s the cool thing – you can say whatever you’d like in your comment, the same way I can post whatever I’d like on my blog. So just keep that in mind if you don’t agree with what I have to say. And do try to be at least semi-courteous. You may or may not want to speak your thoughts to my face, but do remember that we are all people here, not just some nameless, faceless computer bots with gravatars.

So veganism. Generally defined as a diet and lifestyle which includes no animal products or animal by-products whatsoever. No meat, dairy, eggs, honey, etc.

I want to make two main points here about why I believe a vegan diet is not a healthy one long term. I’m not here to debate the ethics or morality of eating animals. Full disclosure: I am an omnivore. I eat meat. And I don’t believe it is cruel to do so. But that’s because I also believe all animals should be raised in an environment conducive to their health and well-being, i.e. not CAFO operations or battery cages.

I don’t believe a vegan diet or lifestyle is ecologically sustainable, either. If you want to delve more into that, I highly recommend reading Folks, This Ain’t Normal by Polyface farmer Joel Salatin. Life changing book.

So point number one about a vegan diet:

If You Don’t Do it Right, Don’t Do it at All

Did you notice that cheese puffs or white bread aren’t animal products? Do you know some vegans or vegetarians who are more like carb-etarians or junk-ans? Just because you don’t eat red meat or cow’s milk doesn’t mean you are automatically healthier. (By the way, the vast majority of all those ‘scientific’ studies that say red meat causes cancer were done using CAFO beef. Of course animals kept in confinement standing knee deep in their own poop, and being pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, and being fed a completely abnormal diet of corn and candy wrappers will produce some nasty meat that can absolutely cause disease in your body. Same thing goes for pasteurized cow’s milk. But I digress . . . )

Here’s the deal – when done right, a vegan diet makes a fantastic detox diet in the short term. Scads of people have switched from a junk food diet of processed and fast food, replaced it with a vegan diet full of raw vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and legumes and have seen their health improve drastically. All those foods are incredibly healthy superfoods! And the vast majority of people in the Western world would do well to abide by that sort of a diet for a few weeks or months.

But (and this brings me to my next point) a long-term vegan diet is not a wise way to go. Many people (like John Nicholson) find their health deteriorating at a rapid rate when following a vegan diet.

A Vegan Diet is Not Nourishing

This is so fascinating to me. Did you know that without plenty of healthy fats in your diet, you are not able to assimilate and absorb the nutrients in fruits and vegetables? This means you can eat kale and bell peppers until you are green in the face, but if you’re not consuming enough healthy saturated fat, it’s like you didn’t even need to bother.

And where do you find these healthy fats? Sure, you get them from coconut, avocado, almonds, and olive oil, but these sources are not always in season, not always convenient to purchase in your area, and are not always present in your diet in a high enough quantity on a given day to meet your body’s requirements to function properly. After all, 60% of your brain and nervous system are made of fat. We need fat for proper brain function, nerve signal transmission, and hormone balance!

But butter from grass-fed, pastured cows is rich in saturated fats, vitamin A, buytric acid, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA – a powerful cancer fighter), and lauric acid. Grass-fed, pastured beef itself is also rich in these same nutrients, as well as being a fantastic source of protein, amino acids, and vitamin B12 – which vegans must take as a supplement (a required nutrient our bodies don’t create – we must get it from animal sources).

Omnivores Healthier Than Vegetarians in Indigenous Cultures

I read an awesome anecdote about my main man Weston A. Price over on The Healthy Home Economist’s blog (she wrote a great article about how 75% of vegetarians return to eating meat). The study Price documented is very telling about how a vegetarian or vegan diet is unsuited for humans. Here she is in her words:

Dr. Price traveled the world in the 1920′s and 1930′s visiting 14 isolated cultures in the process. During this adventure which he documented in great detail with amazing pictures in his masterpiece Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Dr. Price concluded that while the diets of these natives varied widely, nutrient dense animal foods high in the fat soluble vitamins A, D, and K (also known as Activator X) were the common denominator. Consumption of these animal foods were revered in these communities as they bestowed vibrant health, ease of fertility, healthy children, and high resistance to chronic and infectious disease.

This discovery was a disappointment to Dr. Price who had expected to find the vegetarian cultures to be the healthiest cultures of all. But, the vegetarian cultures he examined displayed more degeneration than the omnivore cultures which surprised him given that these vegetarian cultures did indeed have superior health than the Americans of his day.

A sad commentary on the state of health in the Western world with our plastic, packaged, chemical-filled foods, but a true insight into the path to optimal health – it includes animal foods!

If you are looking for quality sources of sustainably raised beef & dairy, check your local farmer’s market (find one near you on the Local Harvest website) or have it shipped to your door from Beyond Organic.

I also want to highlight an absolutely beautiful, almost poetic look at this topic from Kristen of Food Renegade. Her post, Why I’m Not a Vegan, spoke volumes to me about this issue. I think you’ll find it well worth reading.

What has been your experience with a vegan or vegetarian diet?

This post is linked to Simple Lives Thursday, Fight Back Friday, Sunday School

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Lucky Joestar
January 7, 2013 at 5:16 pm

I was a devout vegan for nineteen years, actually believing it was healthy, until I committed my first act of apostasy against the religion four years ago by eating a can of tuna. During my time as a true believer, I ballooned up to 93 kilograms, putting me just a hair under being considered obese. Since turning apostate and eating meat again, I’ve lost weight. Now I’m eating meat a lot more often, and I’m down to 70, just a bit above the midpoint of my healthy weight range. I found that what you say about fat is definitely true … and that’s why I eat a lot of it these days.
StrychnineS
January 8, 2013 at 8:21 pm

I’m a vegan…. And for the record… Not to be mean or anything… Main brand oreos… Are NOT vegan.

Thanks <3
Josh
January 17, 2013 at 3:41 am

we are hunter gatherers, we are opportunists, we are survivors. we eat what is available. our bodys are designed to eat meat and plants, we evolved this way to insure survival of the species. we learn to adapt to situations for survival. modern man has everything available at their fingertips so we can pick and choose what we want to eat, which is why people can choose to be omnivores, vegitarian or vegan. if you live in say northern alaska, which people do and have for quite some time, no markets no growing season but lots of seal and fish. you live in florida, long growing season and can grow just about any kind of edible vegitation there, you eat more veggies, and meat if you want. to each there own. bottom line…survival of the species.
Elizabeth
January 18, 2013 at 7:57 am

A sensible and well-practiced diet tof any kind that is appropriate for the individual will reap positive results. Vegans have to pay special attention to nutrients as several are only received through animal sources. This takes effort. It’s not just about eliminating animal products, it’s about educating yourself so you don’t find yourself in a deficiency. I have recently moved to a near vegan diet – may I add I was a happy omnivore, and I emphasize vegan diet – rather than being vegan, because I am not opposed to the use of animal products. I moved to this diet due to various food allergies and NAFLD which caused my liver to not be able to process animal protein effectively. I am already much healthier as a result. I am most certainly healthier than ALL of my meat eating friends as they dont’ follow a healthy diet at all. This blog is overgeneralizing, I think we all know that. There is no one size fits all. But it certainly has drummed up a lively conversation.
tara
January 18, 2013 at 10:46 pm

I’m on the Lucy diet. I eat lots of foraged food, the odd roadkill and lots of grubs, crickets and berries.
My doctor says at 45, I’m the healthiest person he has ever seen! I eat vast quantities of greens mixed in with my berries and grubs.
I do not ever eat grains, processed foods (dog food) or sugar. People mistake me for 25 frequently (damn cougar hunters!) and my ribs can sometimes sharply remind others of their gluttony.
Tina
January 21, 2013 at 1:28 pm

i think the main problem with veganism is the lack of protein. there ways to get protein other than meat, like spinach, beans, etc.

meat is just the easiest, most assured way to get the needed protein. on the other hand, too much is dangerous just as is too little. it’s a balance, but things found in meat (like protein) are necessary for functions of the body.

i do support temporary diet changes. for example, every now and again, i will do a one week vegan or vegetarian detox diet (my vegetarian detox is more like i don’t eat straight up meat; i’ll eat egg whites and chicken broth). often, i will crave certain things throughout it. most recently, i did a one week vegetarian detox and didn’t crave anything. the time before that, i did a one week vegan and craved eggs. before that, i did a two week vegan and craved mayo.

so, i’ve found that being a veganism vs. vegetarianism is a big difference. with veganism, i craved things that contained protein. with vegetarianism, i craved nothing. i ate mayo once on this detox and it just didn’t satisfy me at all, seemed like a waste.
chris
January 22, 2013 at 12:15 pm

hi I just want to point out that a vegan diet can work very well for some and very poorly for other. although from what I have seen in my life makes me believe it is unhealthy for most unless you reall conouisly follow what your eating. my brother my and my sister both Got in to the vegan movment as kids. they went on more than 10 years on this diet ever since the age of around 12 and went on in to thier late 20s. by the time my sister hit 25 she got hypothiriodism and thyriod cancer along with several other health problems related to vitamine b 12 deficentcies she survived and beat the cancer and now eats chicken and fish and is much healthier. my bother also suffered from various vitiman b 12 related health issues and thyriod problems along with belive it or not high blood pressure and now eats eggs and milk. I havent had any health problems I do eat organic meats and vegtables and nothing even close to that no health problems my entire life. same with my other brother whom doesnt even care to eat organic meat he even eats junk food like mcdonalds and still has been healthier than my brother or sister. my point being if you plan your diet and really spend time to make sure you get everything you need you can make itn work. in real life to me it seems unrealalistic for most people to do successfully and to those of you that have made it work you have done a lot of home work and kudos to you. I wouldnt suggest most people trying it however. just from personal things I know about the diet from 2 family members.
Cathy
January 23, 2013 at 11:30 pm

I have recently converted to raw veganism initially for weight loss but once I began embarking on this new lifestyle my whole outlook of food, nutrition and ethics changed entirely for the better. Meat eaters (which i once was myself) are in denial of the fact that we do not need to consume meat or dairy products in order to survive. However, there are so many scientific proofs which indicate that meat and dairy are not only unnecessary for the human diet but cause more damage than good for our bodies, whether that be in the short or long term.
The main reason why people consume meat and dairy is for iron, protein or calcium. However, there are evidences to suggest that consuming dairy or meat actually promotes the loss of iron and calcium. For example, look at the parts of the world that consume the most dairy products that is the US and parts of Europe. They have the HIGHEST rate of osteoporosis compared with Asia or Africa. How can this be when after all the US and European countries consume THE MOST dairy products?
This is because when dairy products eg. milk is consumed, in order for it to be properly digested by the body, nutrients from our bones (calcium) is taken away and used for digestion of the dairy product. Because our bodies simply were not designed to tolerate dairy or meat.

And to those that claim that they ‘tried’ the raw vegan or vegan lifestyle but they became deficient in nutrients and lost too much weight. The answer is simple. YOU SIMPLY WERE NOT CONSUMING ENOUGH CALORIES. Fruits and vegetables have little calories and high water content compared to ‘conventional’ foods like meat, dairy, bread, refined sugars etc. Therefore, it is easy to eat too little calories on the raw vegan lifestyle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtxFC4LHnKo

Look at how much this woman (freelea) eats in a day as a raw vegan. She is famous for being the ‘banana girl’ eating up to 50 bananas a day. Not to mention she is extremely fit, healthy and thin.

All you people dissing the vegan lifestyle are simply not educated or are in denial with the fact that the meat and dairy industry are scamming our society for profits.
lauren
January 26, 2013 at 4:02 am

sorry, i missed the part of the article that showed your qualifications to write with such a strong opinion on matters of human nutrition, where would i find that? Also, were you vegan in the past?
primalliving
January 26, 2013 at 3:02 pm

I’m sorry to say this, but most vegans are so misinformed and your points are idiotic. Eating grains, any grains, whole or processed is one of the WORST things you can put in your body. Most of our grains today are GMO and do horrific damage to your gut and immune system. Please read about the primal blueprint before you spew off your misinformation. I think we can all agree that eating processed packaged foods of any kind is bad even factory raised meats and fish. True paleo eaters are the healthiest people on the planet, go do your research. I’m not talking about people who eat McDonalds, I mean people who eat quality humanely raised meat along with lots of veggies and moderate fruit and dairy. I gave up grains and within days all my ailments vanished. A few hours after eating a piece of whole grain bread my allergies and other problems came back.
1. bullywee
  February 22, 2013 at 5:12 am
  
  I assume you must live in the USA if you are claiming that most grains are GMO as they are certainly not here in Europe. If you are then suggesting that meat is GMO free, you are deluded because the meat you eat in the USA is from animals fed with that GMO grain. As for suggesting that just because you had a grain allergy, that proves that a vegan diet is unhealthy is rubbish. It just means that you had an allergy. Some are allergic to meat. Does that mean that all meat eating is unhealthy? Same logic. Finally, there is no such thing as humanely raised meat – unless the animal is allowed to roam completely free and only eaten when it dies of old age or a natural mishap, it is still being imprisoned, exploited and killed premeturely, if not also mutilated (de-horning, tail-docking, etc), raped (artificial insemination), tortured (while being taken to slaughter) and suffering fear and alarm (at the time of the slaughter).
JD82
January 27, 2013 at 9:36 pm

As an ADA nutritionist, I can confidently say that there is nothing wrong with the vegan diet, just as there is nothing wrong with an omnivore diet (strictly from a nutritional standpoint, ethical views aside). If you are experiencing nutritional deficiencies, looking as if you’re “wasting” or mentally foggy, then you are most likely doing it WRONG.

The important thing to remember is that you need to incorporate fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, legumes, etc. and make sure you get COMPLETE proteins and healthy fats every day. Most people forget this, you need all of the amino acids you body craves. These can definitely be achieved through a plant based diet through something called protein combining, but just eating one or two sources of protein a day is going to leave you lacking. Animal proteins contain all of the essential amino acids in one shot, which is why you feel better once you switch back. Rice and beans, quinoa, tempeh, and other forms of plant-based proteins are complete. Additionally, many foods are now fortified with b12, such as many soy milks and nutritional yeast, as well as seaweed. It’s probably a good idea to take supplement and track your nutritional intake using a free online or phone app tracker until you really get a grasp on the diet. As for lacking in dietary fats, getting them from a plant based source (saturated) is healthier than butter considering the other things in the plant that are lacking form the animal source. The same argument of unavailability can be used for meat and dairy products, which are pretty expensive nowadays compared to the average coconut.

As with anything, it’s all about moderation and balance. If you eat a properly balanced vegan diet, you will feel healthy. If you eat a properly balanced omnivore diet (I am a firm believer in clean eating), you will feel healthy.

If you eat junk food, no matter what you eat, you will feel horrible, and you might not even realize it until you’re sick.

But that’s just my two cents. I really liked how thought-provoking this article was. Getting such a reaction from your readers is fantastic!
Tryce
January 28, 2013 at 2:49 pm

This reminds me of a story I heard years ago. A man crawled on ice to make it across a frozen river. He feared if the ice broke he would surely die. Almost half way through crawling, 50 men galloping on horseback galloped right pass him. What an idiot he thought himself to be. People are living a healthy lifestyle on a raw/vegan diet, proof stares us right in the face, yet people produce articles like this. SMDH at you crawling on solid ice.
Stephen
February 6, 2013 at 12:30 am

Hahahahaha! You don’t have a clue about nutrition. Please come back when you know what amino acids are and what gorillas & chimps mostly eat in the wild!
Natalia
February 8, 2013 at 2:17 pm

I am vegan but I respect omnivore’s opinions. You cannot make them stop eating meat though you believe it’s the right thing to do, and preaching won’t work in any case. It’s just annoying and does the opposite effect.
Anyway, I don’t agree a vegan diet is bad for one’s health as I know plenty of vegans who are perfectly healthy and full of energy. There are healthy meat eaters too, those who eat lots of fruit and vegetables, and lower their meat intake to the maximum.
I agree for some people, a vegan diet can be detrimental. But only if they don’t do it right! They need to know their diet needs to be balanced and not only made of carbs (it’s a common mistake in vegans). People who decide to be vegan need to educate themselves and eat properly, mainly whole foods. They won’t need anything else.
Watch the Forks Over Knives documentary. I recommend it.
Kayla
February 11, 2013 at 4:14 pm

I think its funny how I used to say the exact same things as the omnivores in this comment section until I researched, became educated, and became vegan. There are unhealthy aspects of every single diet out there because of the chemicals put in our foods, and how much of the more unhealthy foods we eat rather than the healthy ones. So I finally decided to go with the chemically unhealthy vegan diet rather than a chemically unhealthy omnivore diet because at least I’ll be reducing the suffering of innocent animals with what I eat.
To all the omnivores on this page, I highly recomend doing some serious researching of the good and bad aspects of all diets, not just the good of yours, and the bad of others. I’ve made that mistake and wish I could now go back to make sure I don’t look like a fool with my one sided “facts”
1. AlexHT
  February 12, 2013 at 5:26 pm
  
  I couldn’t agree more! This article is full of one sided “facts”, as you called them.
  The reason I became vegan is because I didn’t want to be part of the pain and suffering imposed on animals.
  I also disagree with those advocating how humans are omnivores, I won’t go on with the justification of my opinion as I would be just repeating what other commenders have explained before me.
  I am happy I am vegan and relieved that I don’t contribute to the cruelty that animals are being treated with in factory farms…
  Animals too have rights and we should live in peace with them, after all this planet doesn’t belong only to humans.
  I’m not trying to convince anyone to go vegan, everyone makes their own choices and they are responsible for them. If they enjoy eating a corpse and have the ability to ease their conscience after that, to me it means they are insensitive and cruel. But that’s just me… or isn’t it just me?
Daniel
February 13, 2013 at 9:39 pm

To state that vegan diets are not healthy, even in the long run, is a radical assessment to make, especially since the writer is not vegan their selves. I would love for this writer to bring this blog to every vegan and tell them, “Hey look at this, according to what I wrote you aren’t healthy.” This is laughable, there are millions of vegans that are healthy and doing well, many of which have been vegans for decades. Please, if you are going to make a conclusion about a diet that is not your own, then consider those within that diet. I’m vegan and as healthy as can be, I’m proof that this article is BS.
Emily
February 14, 2013 at 10:00 am

First of all, the American Association of Physicians considers a vegan diet suitable for all life stages: childhood, pregnancy, breastfeeding.
Secondly, where in America can you buy organic, grass-fed beef but not olive oil? Do you check that all restaurants use ‘free range’ meat? You could never eat fast food, ever if you were strict about that.
And veganism isn’t just a case of eating super healthy all time or existing on junk food.
James
February 17, 2013 at 12:32 pm

I’ve been vegetarian for 3 years and vegan for 6 months; I could never eat meat again, for personal ethical convictions. Regarding the health debate, I know lots of people who have benefitted from the vegan diet – though I wouldn’t necessarily say it is always healthier. But your comment about cancer only coming from Factory Farm meat still covers about 99% of commercial meat, and most of us don’t keep chickens in our backyard. Ultimately I think arguments like health benefit in the long run or sustainability and feeding the world are always difficult, both sides collecting their own facts. For me it comes down to being okay with what happens to animals and our decision as to whether it is really necessary to eat them. For me, I don’t think it is necessary. It tastes better, and it’s convenient. But I don;t think it’s necessary, or to my mind, worth the cost.
farha
February 17, 2013 at 10:26 pm

Thank you for the interesting post!

I grew up on a meat diet and vegetables are mere trimmings – sometimes non-existent. I was overweight, I bloat easily, often complain of gas in my tummy, and also get headaches easily. I decided that enough is enough. This happened in the early 90s, when I was a college student. As I wanted to lose weight and be healthy, so I tried a vegan diet. The transition was gradual to ensure that my body can get used to it. Firstly, I omitted all animals that required slaughtering. After a week or so, I omitted fish and shellfish. Finally, I eliminated dairy and eggs.

I was a vegan for a year. I lost all the unwanted fats really fast. Being a student, I also found that vegan diet is very economical and kind to the pocket. However, I started feeling listless and losing a lot of hair. I also had to plan my meals carefully to make sure that all the nutrients I need are present. It is a lot of work which I don’t mind doing if I have the time, but a student on the run with a lot of campus activities to attend can’t always grab an alfalfa sprout sandwich and remain sated.

Today, I opt for lacto-ovo vegetarian diet or pescetarian diet on most days and consume poultry/meat on very rare occasions. Even though vegan diet didn’t work for me, it disciplined me into cutting down on portions and saturated fats, and increasing the good stuff in my diet.
colleen
February 18, 2013 at 6:32 am

Since my sisters have became raw vegan, they look terribly thin and pale, and the one sister is now very sick with IBS or worse…. she thinks she can heal herself with herbs, oils, and eating only organic raw vegan diet, yet she is getting worse, and when I ask she says “she is detoxing”!
lol
February 18, 2013 at 12:19 pm

lol your right about the junk. that’s a sorry excuse for a vegan. If you do it right though vegan is the only option. Ask bill clinton after having quadruple heart bypass surgery from eating meat (hot dogs) and krispy kreme donuts . nothing a vegan ever suffer from. also a vegan cant get cancer, diabetes (50% of ALL americans die of those 2) , stroke, alzheimers, etc etc. if they just eat junk i dont consider that a vegan as most junk has animal products anyway and aren’t known. healthy vegan junk food isn’t junk (organic hemp chips instead of fried potato in healthy oils vs cheetos, coconut water/organic made juices instead of coca cola) this is a real vegan who does organic and healthy everything not a fad “im vegan let me goto the store and get chips and goto mcdonalds and eat fries” a real vegan like myself grow our OWN organic gardens and eat nothing but fruits and veggies, no junk or anything wrapped. it has to be raw or cooked myself so i know. now WE are optimum health and will never get a dis-ease and will outlive everyone else. we have the sexual staminal of a real vegan.
1. yourkiddingright?
  February 21, 2013 at 5:24 am
  
  Adolf Hitler was a vegetarian…we all know how “right” he thought he was…..sheesh!
  
  sexual stamina dosnt count with the sort of tantric sex you would be doing with the lack of muscular endurance I have observed my vegan friends….who are after 20 years of trying to “convert” me are all coming down with many of thos things you say vegans “dont get”….what you dont seem to “get” is this fad is not some ancient wisdom……..you may return to your kumbaya and love ins now :P
2. yourkiddingright?
  February 21, 2013 at 8:23 am
  
  the only option for who?….what food u need is decided by genes…not urban trends….
  
  really…..get some better info….facts trump feelings based on “duh…gimme a late and meeeet eeterz suck”
yourkiddingright?
February 21, 2013 at 8:31 am

vegans cant get cancer???? what???? really? take ya tin foil hats off! ffs….. i have seen someone die of brain cancer(vegan) smokers that were vegan die of throat cancer,lung cancer and all the heart probs from cancer…..stop sniffing glue and post facts not fiction
Scarlet
February 23, 2013 at 12:46 pm

I’ve been a vegan for three months now. Since being a vegan, about 2-1 weeks before my period is due (the luteal phase when a woman’s immune system is weaker due to hormonal imbalances) I’ve been getting really poorly with flu-like symptoms and physically been unable to get out of bed for up to over a week.

This has only started happening since becoming a vegan and I hardly ever got sick before. Getting flu-like symptoms was certainly not part of one of my PMS symptoms. I have been taking multivitamins and iron as well as having plenty of healthy saturated fats and I’m afraid to say they clearly have not been sufficient enough.

Humans have evolved to be omnivores, and being a vegan is not healthy for the body in the longer term like this article says and from my own personal experience.
1. Mindy
  March 21, 2013 at 3:03 am
  
  You should probably do more research into the supplements you were taking. Most vitamin deficiencies are rare, especially when on a whole foods plant based diet (or when eating healthy, no processed food). Getting too many vitamins, on the other hand, is common due to the advertising of unnecessary products to make money.
Bryan Hudson
February 24, 2013 at 3:18 am

What absolute non-sense you do claim. I have been Vegan for 46 years and at 60 I am the fittest person I know. Some cultures are vegan for generations. Saturated fats are a killer. Your research is so flawed in so many areas it is hard to begin.
1. Matthew
  February 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm
  
  Bryan… awesome!
2. Dave
  March 16, 2013 at 11:40 pm
  
  Exactly. This article is complete rubbish. I know more about nutrition than this young woman. She obviously doesn’t know about the effects of uric acid
Matthew
February 28, 2013 at 5:45 pm

Do you work for the meat industry? Why would you promote such lies! Are you even real or did the industry create you to confuse the masses? There are so many healthy vegans it is not funny. Just because you do not have the intellectual capacity to understand how a Vegan diet is supposed work you shouldn’t promote hatred and cruelty. And yes you do promote that, there is no justifiying animals deaths, especially to fill your selfish desires that are not nessassary. Why people are not being nice to you is because you lie and have no idea what you talking about. Ask all the vegans that have been vegans for 40+ years. You should be ashamed of yourself.